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02 August 2006

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Rob Miller

Interesting article. I have struggled with this same issue. My personal belief is that, similar to our energy portfolio, no one item will provide the whole solution. Even if we could replant the entire planet in trees, it will not stop global warming, if we cover it in windmills, it might but at what cost? I agree with you that we first must reduce. I then believe that offseting the remaining use is worthwhile, if only to drive the market and interest. Use the offset to cover your base consumption as you continue to conserve. I would also like to see the offsets fund a broader portfolio which I believe is required.
On the bird issue, an interesting point from Idaho. Two wildfires have been caused this year by raptors being electrocuted by powerlines and then starting a grass fire. Windmills, while a threat to birds, might not be the largest threat.

sciencewoman

Hmmm...once again you've done the careful research to confirm what I suspected. (That's a compliment by the way). As a carbon offset buyer, I never really viewed my gas consumption as a neutral activity. In fact, I have just as much guilt now as I ever did. But it did seem like a good way to allocate some of my charitable giving for the year in a way that would have some net benefit.

John

I have been suspicious of carbon offsets as well. What bothers me the most is that the pollution is still entering the atmosphere and still causing harm regardless of offset purchases. Buying credits from a wind energy company seems like a bad-aid at best. What really needs to be done is a combination of making alternative energy mainstream instead of a niche and conservation.

Planting trees around one's own community might be a more worthy endeavor than paying someone to do it somewhere else.

Nuthatch

I'd like to reiterate that I hope nobody sees me as poo-pooing the idea of wind energy, reforestation, or the intent behind offsets. The point is that carbon offsets are not as simple nor cause-and-effect as they appear to be. If you choose to offset your emissions, it will take some time and effort to determine if what you are supporting is not ineffective or harmful. And the best solution begins at home.

Roger B.

Thanks for this well researched and reasoned post. It confirmed my own 'gut feeling' about these schemes. We have to face up to the fact that reducing our personal energy consumption is by far the most effective action we can take to cut carbon emissions.

By the way, there used to be a group here in the UK called "Conservationists Against Tree Planting".

Daniel Collins

Good stuff. One point though - windpower is not an offset. Offsets must have negative carbon footprints. Windfarms just have smaller, positive ones, as do CFLs.

Nuthatch

Daniel, since financial support of wind projects are used as offsets, I would hope that the carbon use of the project itself is factored in somehow. But this illustrates the problem with calculating a monetary value that is the equivalent of some tonnage of carbon. The inexactness of these calculations are another criticism I've seen leveled at offset schemes. I don't think one can take them too literally, you just have to feel like you are making a contribution to a renewable energy project, and not consider it an "offset" to some amount of your own carbon footprint.

I've added a new link to the post to a Salon article on carbon offsets.

Alan Gregory

There is a fourth recommendation on where NOT to place a wind farm: In the middle of a roadless area. In Pennsylvania, where highways, power line cuts and other linear disturbances mar the landscape left and right, only the ridgetop forests remain extant. To develop a wind farm atop an Allegheny ridge means fragmenting the landscape. Studies after studies after studies have pinpointed the various harms that follow such fragmentation: Reduced nesting productivity by forest-interior songbirds, increased predation by smallish predators (racoons, opossums, chipmunks), increased nest parasitism by cowbirds, invasive species, etc. I see very little coverage of this important issue in mainstream media accounts of wind farm plans. And about the same level of coverage in the more scientific press.

Laura

Wayne at Niches has posted a rough calculation of the size of forest that would have to be planted annually if we were to rely solely on carbon sequestration as an offset. A very lively rant.

Nuthatch

Indeed, I've read that there isn't enough land on earth to plant adequate sequestering forests. Bravo to Wayne for going through all those numbers!

Timothy Colman

Conservation of energy would take us a long way to carbon restricted diet. Rocky Mtn Institute has been working on shift to this kind of thinking for years.
http://www.rmi.org/sitepages/pid17.php

I think people would respond to a book on low carbon diet.
Could help educate people about the changes we need to make quickly.

Unfortunately-- British Petroleum is the only company pushing this idea consistently in the media.

I am playing around with chapter titles -- ideas on content welcome.

kris

This is very interesting. I am definitely not as "green" as I should be. I don't know why I sort of fell asleep on energy issues several years back only to wake up and wonder why we built this house as we did. The first thing we need to do--my spouse and I--is to figure out how to cut our energy use and how to begin to install some alternative energy sources.

My spouse gets a company car to drive, a different one every two or three months (they keep changing the time span). He gets no choice as to what he'll be driving. Imagine our horror and shame when he was given the keys to a Hummer!! That thing is a gas hog, it's enormous, ugly, and just wrong. Shudder.

Nuthatch

Over the last few years, husband and I have replaced all light bulbs in the house with compacts fluorescents, replaced our hot water heater with a tankless type, gotten a high-efficiency furnace and front-loading washer, added insulation, and we drive a hybrid and low emissions vehicles. But he works for an auto supplier, and sometimes needs to drive a test vehicle -- usually a huge truck. I feel sort of embarrassed!

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